It genuinely makes me sad that the kpop community hasn't changed since I left it in 2014 which is why I'm so reluctant to jump back into it and only really here to support MAMAMOO. There are so many kids in the . Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I have a tendency to get a bit defensive and come across as rude/mocking/patronising/self righteous when I dont mean to, which Im trying to work on, but its hard to tell when Im doing it, so I try to avoid argument a lot. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. This, combined with their Immortal Song wins, truly demonstrates just how much of an impact Mamamoo has, as their reach goes far beyond just kpop. if(document.querySelector("#adunit")){ In response to the criticisms of how I was presenting my information, they are valid criticisms. document.querySelector("#adunit").addEventListener('click',function(){ So to me Mamamoo isn't the most problematic groups, they are one of the every few kpop groups that take criticism and acknowledge it and learn from it. Non fans for all the questions, suggestions, reviews, anything. They never went into these situations with the intent of hurting or offending anyone. The ring around her mouth: Now a ring around someones mouth was something drawn back in the days of blackface to emphasize big lips. You don't have to to forgive them for the blackface but I see far too much misinformation being spread and everyone just take as word. cc @sexeyXR @chsjason @Mata10. pg.acq.push(function() { Your question/message will be answered rudely or even deleted if you have not read the FAQ first. if henry said that the idea of his band mates being gay/transworried him, thats homophobic and transphobic. window.googletag.cmd.push(function() { Others, despite agreeing that Hwasa was at fault, thought the questions were taking it too far. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Im simply complying a list of things that could be perceived as offensive or problematic so that fans can decide for themselves. People are accusing me of purposefully portraying all the members on the list as villains and not including their apologies. it is also very likely the kangin/n thing was scripted, considering n hung out with suju members shortly after and neither n nor kangin nor their companies were asked about it EVEN ONCE and calling someonetrash in a magazine or bts video is a big deal. One user shared, "HELP THE QUESTIONS FOR #AskHwasa I CANT," along with a screenshot of some of their favorites, another said, "THE TWEETS UNDER THIS HASHTAG ARE RUTHLESS AHAJAKXH," and one joked, "The gates of heaven are not opening for ANY of yall. Compare this to some other idol groups with rabid fanbases, any controversy and they're ready to defend their idols to the point of issuing death threats to the critiques. One tweet under the #AskHwasa hashtag read, "Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . yeah, suju has done problematic stuff and i agree, we shouldnt defend it or excuse it, its good to have that kind of discussion. Some things aren't even their fault, but ofc they're going to frame it that way (like Wheein saying that she feels like a normal person for making silly faces and people bashing her saying that she's thinking too highly of herself as a celebrity? When asked about it, she replied that it was an homage to Rihanna, who wore something similar in a performance, as RIhanna is one of the people she looks up to the most. Anyway, I hope this didnt come across as rude or anything, but I really need to go to sleep now. Mamamoo are good, genuine people. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. I think this is one thing that remains somewhat undecided but considering Baekhyuns track record, I wouldnt put it past him tbh. Ive seen a lot of people (and even previously been them sometimes) throwing around the Siwon thing to say hes wildly homophobic, for example, when it turned out to be heavily unreliable and probably false. For the writer herself, she said she used to stan Mamamoo and doesn't anymore because of the problematic things they've done. }); #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/h0oPUHVyku, Some, naturally, came to Hwasa's defense, pointing out that her, the rest of Mamamoo, as well as their label Rainbowbridge World (RBW), have all apologized or at the very least provided an explanation for their actions in the past. Fandom Name - Moomoo Sub-Unit - Mamamoo+ Japanese Website Twitter Japanese Twitter Instagram YouTube Japanese YouTube Fan Cafe Tiktok offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Advanced Faker. So I decided to forgive them cause myself personally thinks that they tried to show love to Bruno Mars which is apparently one of their fav artist by doing a vcr of their songs but stupidity and very ignorantly decided to dark their skin to match his and his dancers. and I know it would've been much, much lower if I didn't force y'all to give the NMIXX songs an average of at least 3.00. And then later on she includes a list of problematic things that her favourite (boy) group has done and it's literally 3x as long. Another thing referenced against Hwasa is the occasion she dressed up as a clown. (Also just a little side note, I know people arent aware and I havent specified it on this blog, but please dont refer to me with she/her pronouns! **All colorism is bad, but i think its fair to say that whenever Tao or Kai try to deflect colorist comments onto each other, it is usually a form of defence mechanism that stems from internalised colorism. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa. Things not included arent included because they DIDNT happen, stop believing lies told by edgy kpop stans w/o any recipts https://t.co/rBMH79ZvlD, HELP i dont like hwasa but some of yall going a little to far, some of yall preach mental health but pick and choose who that applies too ngl i let out a couples laughs tho#AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/GbxXzX6Fna. Solar will previal . Ill probably check over the masterpost tomorrow and try to add more info and context and stuff. Thank you everybody for everything! Apink made an exciting appearance on the recent July 1 episode of SNL Korea, but one of the show's skits featuring member Bomi has caused a wave of backlash among fans and viewers. So girls have to be skinny and boys can be Taken aback by their remarks, Shindong quickly explained, Im just saying. I'm sure I'm still unlearning a lot of things today. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. Please put a * at the end of the message if you don't want it published. Call me out for what? Having said that it was still wrong but I don't acquite it to a minstrel show or it have been in a mock manner and I am glad that they apologised and have learnt from that. The MAMAMOO Introduction Guide of 2022 (Part 1: Members) MOO YT 40K views 7 months ago Is Duolingo Really a Good Way to Study Japanese? Ive said before that my intent is to provide information, and that should include context and possible explanations, and Im sorry it didnt. when something is scripted) or it is something they did along time ago and havent done since. I will definitely admit that it was very sloppy and not well researched. People @Pr0blematicIdol follows or mentioned can reply Problematic Idols @Pr0blematicIdol Jan 3, 2021 Replying to @Pr0blematicIdol Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Yes I should have looked into the Siwon stuff more, because when you watch the video, you can tell he said afterwards that he was joking. And yes I did make an exo masterpost, heres a link. Also I see hate being normalised and even being defended its not hard if u don't want to forgive them then just ignore or block all mentions of them. It is continued bashing and harassment of four girls, who for all accounts dont deserve it. So for antis to use that insecurity and exploit it daily, calling her everything from E.T. to a 'smelly homeless person' to having the figure of a brick, says everything about themselves and nothing about her. As Ive said before, Im not a muslim, and I was just going off of what Id seen other muslim bloggers say. I promise you it wasnt a group thing. ga('ads.send', { Our team is real men., Actually, we are all men, real men ah! Normal version comes with 1 random photocard out of 4. }); The world doesnt revolve around America and our issues, not everyone has their eyes on America 24/7. or for the life of me find it again so this is unsourced for the time being. (especially since hes never repeated anything like that.). You need to Register or Login to view the content. },false) Hwasa in 2015 said the n word in a show where she was given the lyrics but being a non English speaker she clearly didn't know what she was saying. ", The link includes the statements released on the group's behalf, most notably, their own apologies for their use of blackface which was released within four hours of the video going out. If other fandoms are able to trend Mamamoo/Hwasa hate comments, it will distract from the messes that other fandoms are currently dealing with. And when a few Moos did call other fandoms out on their abusive tweets, the response that night was majority she deserves it, or most common answer: its just a joke. Honestly there is nothing wrong with what they said. Probation Faker. If you have anything else you wanna add/say, my ask box is open, but I probably wont reply until tomorrow because I really need to go to bed. #AskHwasa. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), Personally, from the time that I've been a fan, Mamamoo has usually apologized/acted contrite for any controversies that they've caused. We will be taking time to understand more about our international fans to ensure this never happens again. I recently saw their variety show where they traveled to Busan and talked a bit about the past and Moonbyul said something that really squeezed my heart (paraphrasing): "We're human. Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. I made an exo masterpost and since then Ive had a lot of messages from people telling me that they no longer feel that they can bias Chanyeol or Baekhyun, which is their own personal decision, and something that they chose based on information I provided. Please think before you write these messages. That worried him. Siwon isnt the only member this has happened to, and I also understand that a lot of the time people take things out of context in order to justify hating on a specific member and its really frustrating. I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. now onto the list: *Anything with an asterisk besides it is a fan account and so may not be entirely reliable, though are usually fairly trustworthy. I really dislike fat girls. You must understand that Asians are very very different from non asians in terms of being conservative, preferring lighter skin and saying that theh are not gay. The controversies surrounding Mamamoo sometimes hurt for sure, because you can tell that theyre pretty genuine in who they are without putting on too much of a show, arent out to get or hurt anyone, and are capable of realizing when they have made mistakes. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), All this being said, Mamamoo is truly know, not as huge award/reality show winners, but as an idol group of the people. ourbridgeisforever:. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. Daily persecution? Thank you very much for the information!! However it did look dumb not going to lie not a good look and hopes she does not it again. Ive privated the post because it was very poorly made and I acknowledge that, however, some of the criticism Im getting is from 1) people who havent actually read the post and 2) people who are refusing to acknowledge some of the things I did include in it. And it appears they still hold her accountable for it, largely owing to past instances of appropriation, such as wearing a durag. Her wig: Now I can understand how it can be seen as cultural appropriation. Its easy for us to do because we arent in their position, I know we like to believe that we would be 100% perfect celebrities if we were given the chance, but we havent been in the spotlight for 10 years (Im sure I would have messed up far more than some of the members have over 10 years). I feel like this sounds insincere but its not, I promise, I wish I had gone about it very differently. Mobile +91-9466446612, +91-9728497962; Email info@pvginternationals.com; wow tanaan jungle questline; small planet airlines fleet; you've got mail bookstore name MAMAMOOWA Entertainment2015 Rainbow Bridge World (RBW)MAMAMOOMAMAMOO . Offensive Super Junior Masterpost. Joined: May 2022. It arguably began around late 2018 Windflower era, when antis began to change Mamamoo's music video titles to racial slurs and death threats. I would think that all of their positives outweigh their negatives so I'm going to continue to be a fan of them and their musicand not care about netizen/fan hate against them. not excusing it or defending, but Henry was a little boy from Canada, and that kind of fan service is really odd in general to the West, Id hardly call that problematic. okay so before i start this list, i just wanna clarify: i am an exo stan. Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? Mamamoo is not the most problematic group ever I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people (so being black) I decided to some research to find out. It really does hurt reading them, crazy to know about the double standards too :((. Maybe you are just too sensitive?? I read something the other day that said we forgive the people not the actions which I think is a accurate way of thinking. Read more about it here. Um yeah they are just that close that they make fun of each other. Zhoumi laughed about the earthquake of 6.8 magniture that hit Taiwan saying When the earthquake struck just then, it was just like playing. Moreover, Zhou Mi even used last years Si Chuan earthquake as comparison, saying: Last year, when we were promoting in China, we also met an earthquake, and it was pretty happy. And Han Geng who was beside him immediately rushed forward to clarify: He (Zhou Mi) doesnt mean happy. However, it was too late, as everything was already recorded by the media. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. (but if you need the actual fan account to knock that off, i guess ill find someone who can give that to you. They were ignorant and uneducated at the time. I did watch the video when it was up but it was a while ago and I dont remember exactly what he said. disclaimer: i am NOT trying to cancel any of the idols on this list, just calling them out. You need to Register or Login to view the content. The media and antis take things and blow it way out of proportion. For the segment, the three followed outfits . pg.acq.push(function() { Theyre one of my favorite groups and its kind of annoying to see people say that Im not a fan just because I made the post. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. That doesnt make it okay and it doesnt mean it cant be just as harmful, but considering they are nearly always the victims of such colorist comments, it is somewhat different to when they come from somebody else who is unaffected by them. I dont really want this published but Im Korean and I just watched the SISTAR video and the translations are pretty accurate, Hyorin was trying to say how bora has all black fashion and her hair and black complexion adds on to it, and I felt that too (soyu was trying to suggest that hyorin had darker skin than bora so hyorin shouldnt talk about anyone elses skin color) so hyorin was like yeah but at least I dont wear black clothes like bora! JavaScript is disabled. I dont know how familiar you are with vixx, but N is constantly put down by hisfriends about his appearance (specifically his skin color) and one of the things Kangin criticised him for was his self confidence, which honestly, was really, really rude and definitely uncalled for. It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. In the show, there are co-cast members Par Na Rae and Han Ye Jin. The whole thing was carelessly done and not very thorough. Notifications can be turned off anytime from browser settings. I didnt mean for this to spiral into an argument at all and I didnt post the post with malicious intent, though I know the intent doesnt matter all that much and that I did make mistakes. Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. This resulted in people calling her out as dressing like a black stereotype, and complaining that she was even wearing blackface again, despite the fact that she had no heavily darker makeup on, and was simply rocking her naturally darker skin. In terms of overlooking, I'm not sure what is expected since they've apologized for their actions and speech and the apologies have been pretty prompt. Kissed Yewons thighs on We Got Married while carrying her on his shoulders, Persuaded Jackson (GOT7) to accompany him in going into the girls room without permission and rifling through their stuff on episode 45 of SBS Roommate, thanks for not defending the other stuff I guess, okay this is actually the last post I just find it hard to sleep when I dont resolve stuff, An Apology For the Super Junior Masterpost, I wasnt trying to paint suju as bad guys or anything I honestly just wanted to help the people whod be sending me asks, sorry to bring this up again but a few more people reblogged it. As for the Kris thing, Im aware its Heechuls opinion, but considering Kris left for very valid reasons (and was practically being abused by SM, as it seems many of the Chinese members were) I would say that it could be consideredproblematic to call Kris disrespectful for leaving, especially after all the shit he got from fans and the members themselves. We always seem to be so hard to celebrities, especially idols, when they fuck up yet we're never there to congratulate them once we see them grow and change. Posts: 310. Siwon seems like a genuinely nice guy, and its really unfortunate that people keep spreading the rumour that hes homophobic, and Im ashamed to be one of the people who contributed to this. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. I only made the post because Ive personally received asks about whether or not there is a Super Junior master post and whether specific members have done anything, and thought itd be easy to compile a list, seeing as thats sorta what this blog is for. Im aware people can be incredibly childish when it comes to offensive stuff in kpop, almost like its some game, like, there are actual people who look forward to exos next fuckup as though its not something that deeply upsets people. ga('ads.send', { Their sound is diverse, but can best be described as a mix between jazz, retro, and R&B. For me, I think controversies and hate are just the unfortunate and difficult side that comes with being an idol. okay so Ive seen quite a few people get mad about the master post I made about super junior (some people have linked me to what others have said, other posts Ive seen floating around) and there is a lot of valid criticism being said, and some other stuff which seems to just be a misunderstanding. A quick list (that is nowhere near all) of the vocal famous Mamamoo fans include: JYP (founder of JYPE), Yoo Hee Yeol (Host of Sketchbook), Im Chang Jung (senior ballad singer), Lee Hyori (senior solo artist), Hyuna (solo artist), Seulgi (of Red Velvet), Lee Dahee (actress), Wang Bitna (actress), and Kim Hyesoo (actress). I dont properly feel as though I can talk about in depth because I have limited knowledge (which I probably should have specified in the post) but I didnt just pull it out of my ass, I included it because Id seen people get offended by it (though predominantly by Gain). I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. } MEAWW is an initialism for Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide. I did do that on my exo masterpost, but I also spent a lot more time and thought on that post as well. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), Their interactions with their fans and staff members are so sweet and genuine, and they do their best to be inclusive of everyone (like Wheein taking her time to speak to a deaf fan and doing some sign language, Hwasa going on the floor to sign a fan's cast---the list goes on). 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