Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. You write as though weve been asleep. All evidence to the contrary? I cant imagine the CEOs of those two companies werent in the loop on these negotiations. Theyre both stuck now. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. THEY MUST PARISH AND EVERYONE WHO DOESNT BACK ME IM GONNA CURSE AT AND BE MEAN TO!!! Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. Good for them. But I wont EVER support a company who actively supports an infringement of any kind. And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Maybe worst of all, passage gives anti-gunners a win they desperately needed. Apparently, John Smith isnt an advocate of the constitution or specifically the second amendment. The rights of citizens that theyve agreed to negotiate away will NEVER be restored. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. I used to have a TRP. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. All of these rifles are vastly superior to Ruger. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. No, they stood by and let their customers get screwed. And their ammo prices were astronomical. However, again I wasnt really in the market to add anything else from their company to my safe anyway. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Is Rob Leatham going to stick with Springfield after this debacle? Have you not been following this story? If truth about guns knows whats good for them, theyll be taking this story down and apologizing publicly for spreading untrue assumptions. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. Includes larger .1555 MSRP: $111.99 $75.81. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. Thanks for Nothing SA. Rock River Arms has They are a leader in the firearms field with a vast array of products that work correctly. Layoffs to follow. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. Didnt you read this article? Oh, hell no, he told me. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. We need the pistols to get to our rifles anyway. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. I think sometimes its just because they are new to the hobby of guns. Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. Especially ones outside Chiraq. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. Illinois acts like an evil, independant country when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, ignoring law and constantly jockeying for ways to squelch our right of self-protection through our right to bear arms. What would I do if I was RRA and SAI? My time stinks apparently. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. Fuck Ruger as well. Czech Republic makes good guns,like CZs. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. I will now buy another LAR-8 in case you idiots force RRA out of business. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. Just keep in mind, if you have a dozen guns in your safe, I GUARANTEE you that at least one comes from a company whos compromised at some point. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. Sellouts. Springfield can drop dead, Ill support gun manufacturers who support me. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Did you expect anything less than shady from the Illinois legislature? When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. Not to mention that when S&W colluded with Clinton they were owned by the British engineering firm Tomkins. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. $14.95 Per Firearm One $9.99 Charge For Any Amount of Accessories Good for them, too. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. He kept his marginal Mini-14 from hitting the list, selling out the gun owner in the process! Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. Which would help with elimination if in the future. So I went on a buying spree. This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were Two? The licensing fee? Sooner or later they are going to destroy you. No offense intended. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. What flavor is it, and how much do you want? Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. In short, this means rifle-makers need to adapt, and one company taking that step is Rock River Arms (RRA) with its LAR-15 Operator III in 5.56mm NATO. Springfield Armorys Defend your legacy has a huge hypocritical meaning now. There are more corrupt justices out their than honest ones. I have to say this really makes me mad. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. Its not just selling, genius. thats what matter and they put that last. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. And now a sell out. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. Thank you for bringing this issue to the forefront. The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. Apples and suspension bridges here. Frankly, Im wondering how Im going to sell my existing inventory.. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. Post interesting results everywhere. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. Their entire C Suite should resign and they need to prove themselves. The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. 2nd Amendment Supporters are up in "Arms" pun intended about the News broken by The Truth About Guns article concerning recent state licensing for all Illinois gun dealers that IFMA (Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association) a lobbying group back by Springfield Armory and Rock River Maybe there is a Mrs. Reese or someone or something burning cash on the side (gambling, drugs, who knows) that is consuming profit faster than SA can generate it. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. Its a FACT that those brands are twice the price as Ruger. I was just about to order another springfield xdm .45. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. Both Ruger and S&W learned from their mistakes, I do not know if these two can. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, An M1A was at the top of my wish list that I saving for. (And I can guarantee he would never speak to me like that in person.). Until we destroy that party America will continue to be destroyed from within. Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? The Reese clan has done dirty deals before, got busted too, http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/, RRA sells to NY LE supporting the SAFE act, which is trying to put a vet away for 21 years for having 17rd mags (no gun, just mags), http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/04/veteran_faces_21_years_in_prison_for_possession_of_pistol_magazines.html. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. If this bill actually passes, I think the hit should be pretty severe. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. Never, ever. This year, State Senator Don Harmon needed IFMA to end their opposition to his bill. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. If RRA didnt know about this and, as a sign of their disgust, drops their funding and membership in the trade group youd still hold them accountable? Its transfers. Make this a massive intractable mess. So I have to ask. I think a hit to Springfield sales should get them leaning on the IFMA (who should be facing a hit to subscribers) enough for the IFMA to not fold in the future. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. once you jump in bed with the marketing types. Your Price: $744.13. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. Shame! WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Lightweight Mountain Rifle | MT1800X 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), 16" Chrome-Moly Lightweight BBL, Semi-Automatic, 6-Position Black Stock, Black Finish, RRA Lightweight, 30+1 Rds. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. The firearms community will be better without them. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. So how is screwing your customer base over a sound business strategy? All have been accurate and reliable. As far as Im concerned, Smith and Wesson are still shit given they operate in communist MA and they should have packed up an left after what that bitch Maura Healey did last year. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. I say boycott both RRA and Sprinfield until they get sold off to someone who cares about gun owners. To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. No guilt trip on my hip. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. Springfield and Rock River Illinois Sell-Out: Picking up the Pieces, Quote of the Day: The Johnny Appleseed of Ghost Guns, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, State, Federal Lawmakers Trying to Put the Brakes On Credit Card Companies Tracking Firearm Purchases, Chicagos Failed Mayor Lori Lightfoot Loses in Reelection EffortBadly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Repeating_Arms_Company#Early_history, http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. Hugely disappointing. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. 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